tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post3138679769638173317..comments2023-04-28T07:38:34.667-07:00Comments on Teh Portly Dyke: Something-Only SpacePortlyDykehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08598941981828041835noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-84290991889629418312007-07-02T10:29:00.000-07:002007-07-02T10:29:00.000-07:00Well, I'm not sure that I pass the "conscious" tes...Well, I'm not sure that I pass the "conscious" test, but I'm hoping that you'll give me the benefit of the doubt.<BR/><BR/>I had to laugh at the rooster comment as W.S. Gilbert wrote the following exchange in <I>Princess Ida (or Castle Adamant)</I> <BR/><BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR/>Florian: And there are no males whatever in those walls?<BR/><BR/>Gama: None, gentlemen, excepting letter mails--<BR/> And they are driven (as males often are<BR/> In other large communities) by women.<BR/> Why, bless my heart, she's so particular<BR/> She'll hardly suffer Dr. Watts's hymns--<BR/> And all the animals she owns are "hers"!<BR/> The ladies rise at cockcrow every morn--<BR/><BR/>Cyril: Ah, then they have male poultry?<BR/><BR/>Gama: Not at all,<BR/>(Confidentially) The crowing's done by an accomplished hen!<BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR/><BR/>Also:<BR/><BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR/>Blanche: Attention, ladies, while I read to you<BR/> The Princess Ida's list of punishments.<BR/> The first is Sacharissa. She's expelled!<BR/><BR/>All: Expelled!<BR/><BR/>Blan.: Expelled, because although she knew<BR/> No man of any kind may pass our walls,<BR/> She dared to bring a set of chessmen here!<BR/><BR/>Sach.: (Crying) I meant no harm; they're only men of wood!<BR/><BR/>Blan.: They're men with whom you give each other mate,<BR/> And that's enough! The next is Chloe.<BR/><BR/>Chloe: Ah!<BR/><BR/>Blan.: Chloe will lose three terms, for yesterday,<BR/> When looking through her drawing-book, I found<BR/> A sketch of a perambulator!<BR/><BR/>All: (Horrified) Oh!<BR/><BR/>Blan.: Double perambulator ...<BR/><BR/>All: Oh, oh!<BR/><BR/>Blan.: ...shameless girl!<BR/>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR/><BR/>Needless to say, it wasn't fully appreciated in 1884, when it was first produced.Kate217https://www.blogger.com/profile/06715848742735302734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-78994852777697217692007-07-01T19:17:00.000-07:002007-07-01T19:17:00.000-07:00The only wev-only space I've ever felt was necessa...The only wev-only space I've ever felt was necessary for me <I>personally</I> was a <I>Me-only</I> space. Other than that, I'm most comfortable in all-in spaces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-22619813308181246692007-06-29T17:59:00.000-07:002007-06-29T17:59:00.000-07:00I have to say, though, I like the idea of women's-...I have to say, though, I like the idea of women's-only space in terms of having a refuge for women who do not feel they can be themselves in the presence of men. I'm not saying that it is impossible for all women, of course, just that not a few women have found freedom and empowerment in the fact that they are not around men. These women are more of the separatist bent, and a lot of women in these communities have discussed how empowered the lifestyle has made them. I really want to support that, though I do agree that cutting of an area from a certain type of people, regardless of how you discriminate, has a large amount of ethical problems wrapped up in it. I just want to say I have no problem if there are women who do actually need that space in the midst of patriarchal bullshit. Anyway, just my thoughts. :)J. Goffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01272563252478656023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-85271924449484719192007-06-29T16:27:00.000-07:002007-06-29T16:27:00.000-07:00"Where I get bitchy and snarly is when folks claim...<I>"Where I get bitchy and snarly is when folks claim that great big categories, like "woman" are theirs and theirs alone to define."</I><BR/><BR/>Amen to that, Moira -- and as for the rooster biz -- I thought it was hysterical that they kept chickens, and wanted chickens, and by keeping only hens, they thought they were keeping themselves "pure" -- so they bought only hen-chicks from the farm store -- where the hell did they think those hens came from ?!?<BR/><BR/>I went to an SM fest once where they had a very creative rule -- if you could slam your dick in a drawer and not scream, you could come in. (This to get around the fact that they started with a "no-dicks" rule that excluded dykes who were packing.)PortlyDykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08598941981828041835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-84552612717767713782007-06-29T12:59:00.000-07:002007-06-29T12:59:00.000-07:00Agreed. Wev-only spaces are important. Important...Agreed. Wev-only spaces are important. Important enough that I don't begrudge the people making rules for who can get into those wev-only spaces. The big example of this is, of course, MichFest, with the no-tranny rule. As a tranny, I'm <EM>just fine</EM> with that. It's good to have a place where you can get away from PatriarchyLand for a while and breathe without having to wonder if it's making your tits look perky enough.<BR/><BR/>Where I get bitchy and snarly is when folks claim that great big categories, like "woman" are theirs and theirs alone to define. (Oddly enough, they tend to use the Patriarchy's rules for defining "man" and "woman" and get really bent out of shape when you point that out.) Public restrooms have to be used by a whole lot of people, and alas, shouldn't be subject to the same rules as MichFest. It's risky as hell for a transwoman to use a men's restroom. It's less physically risky for transmen to use a women's restroom, but causes its own problems.<BR/><BR/>I've never understood the anxiety. The only time things aren't all tucked away is in a stall, so who the hell cares? What, you're gonna get Y-chromosome cooties?<BR/><BR/>And what the hell does a rooster have to do with the Patriarchy anyway? He's not even <EM>human</EM>.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032500776429683299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-10631349796551495602007-06-29T09:57:00.000-07:002007-06-29T09:57:00.000-07:00"Now you're just discriminating against the uncons...<I>"Now you're just discriminating against the unconscious. Bigot."</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah. But the beauty is -- they'll never realize it. ;)PortlyDykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08598941981828041835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-12846794383536229362007-06-29T07:30:00.000-07:002007-06-29T07:30:00.000-07:00Now you're just discriminating against the unconsc...Now you're just discriminating against the unconscious. Bigot.Gender Blankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515845466106535797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-36528884449336535572007-06-28T22:08:00.000-07:002007-06-28T22:08:00.000-07:00Pardon the typos, it's late here on the East Coast...Pardon the typos, it's late here on the East Coast.splordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06426754745729551958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4795483213843043301.post-89349875263634364082007-06-28T22:06:00.000-07:002007-06-28T22:06:00.000-07:00I knew wimmin who were so "anti-male-anything" tha...<I>I knew wimmin who were so "anti-male-anything" that they would not have roosters (or any other male animal) on their property.</I><BR/><BR/>It makes me so sad to read that - and not because I'm male. I cannot understand how men can treat women such that anger that strong is generated. Behavior like that is totally alien to me (for which I am extremely grateful).<BR/><BR/><I>Men in Trees</I> returned to the air tonight and I dusted off the TV to watch the rebroadcast of the premiere episode. During one scene, two of the characters were discussing the gender ratio of the (fictional) town of Elmo, Alaska:<BR/><BR/>"There are ten men for each women here."<BR/><BR/>"So the men have all the power."<BR/><BR/>"I wouldn't exactly say that."<BR/><BR/>"Oh, you're saying that the women are the 'men' here."<BR/><BR/>"No, I'm saying that <B>we can be what we want to be</B>."<BR/><BR/>If only that statement held true in real life - everywhere.<BR/><BR/>I hope this qualifies as consciousness!splordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06426754745729551958noreply@blogger.com